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    Quote Originally Posted by bensherman View Post
    So why do you keep on defending him?

    I dispute that he is not interesting. He could have life or death control over us.

    Oh, and read a bit more about the TS float. They can't simply roll over to him, or the stakeholders of less than a few days would go to court. In any event the stock has already fallen 10%.


    So you now know what I told you is correct, what I might humbly suggest is you take Trump stories with some healthy scepticism.





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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    Charges relating to asking for officials to change declared vote totals, setting up fake electors to make false declarations, stealing and hiding government docs he had no rights to, lying constantly over the docs, to the extent of lying to his own lawyers, as for Jan 6th come on Hitlerite rabble rousing, and you think the charges are politically motivated?

    You without fail charge others with gullibility, suggest you take a look in the mirror when making those comments.


    Might I suggest you approach the charges with a change of name from Trump and try and find anyone else charged with the same offences in the same way.

    You could also wonder why before, during and after his first presidency he wasn't even being considered for most of these charges.

    This political corruption of the court system is propelling him back into the Whitehouse position he doesn't deserve.

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    Perhaps that would be because he didn't do these things until 2021 and thereafter????

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Might I suggest you approach the charges with a change of name from Trump and try and find anyone else charged with the same offences in the same way.

    You could also wonder why before, during and after his first presidency he wasn't even being considered for most of these charges.

    This political corruption of the court system is propelling him back into the Whitehouse position he doesn't deserve.
    A few reasons for you, 1) no previous President has acted in the same way that Trump has,2) for some obscure reason a sitting President is virtually immune from anything at the time, the same immunity that Dimbo feels should still apply, 3) you seem to believe that the majority of Americans feel the poor lamb is being victimised, he has been playing that card as hard as possible, sadly for him that effect is waning rapidly, 4) why do you think the toe rag has and still does use every device known to delay these trials? 5) beneath it all the scum bag knows he is as guilty as sin and is terrified that the truth is coming for him.

    Incidentally, have you seen his latest scam, buy the ONLY Trump endorsed Bible for $59.99, if the creep wasn’t so potentially dangerous, he would be a ridiculous joke, in any event the way the Republican Party are going, their majority in congress is now down to 1, Democrats could well take over before the election.

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    Anyone wishing to see which way the wind is blowing in US politics take a look at the special election result in Alabama, we all know that one swallow doth not a summer make, but in a deep red state a Democrat, Marilyn Lands totally buried the Republican candidate, if anything like that happened across the country it would be goodbye to the Republican Party, of course it won’t happen quite so dramatically, but is some indication of intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    A few reasons for you, 1) no previous President has acted in the same way that Trump has,2) for some obscure reason a sitting President is virtually immune from anything at the time, the same immunity that Dimbo feels should still apply, 3) you seem to believe that the majority of Americans feel the poor lamb is being victimised, he has been playing that card as hard as possible, sadly for him that effect is waning rapidly, 4) why do you think the toe rag has and still does use every device known to delay these trials? 5) beneath it all the scum bag knows he is as guilty as sin and is terrified that the truth is coming for him.

    Incidentally, have you seen his latest scam, buy the ONLY Trump endorsed Bible for $59.99, if the creep wasn’t so potentially dangerous, he would be a ridiculous joke, in any event the way the Republican Party are going, their majority in congress is now down to 1, Democrats could well take over before the election.


    I apologise I didn't make myself clear enough,

    Might I suggest you approach the charges with a change of name from Trump and try and find anyone else charged with the same offences in the same way.


    I mean't anyone inside or outside of politics.


    And I don't think he is in anyway special or unique, New York state in particular has lost the plot over him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I apologise I didn't make myself clear enough,

    Might I suggest you approach the charges with a change of name from Trump and try and find anyone else charged with the same offences in the same way.


    I mean't anyone inside or outside of politics.


    And I don't think he is in anyway special or unique, New York state in particular has lost the plot over him.
    NY state were looking at Trump’s business activities before he gained the Presidency from the 2016 election, this is the reason why some charges had to be dropped due to the time limitations.

    Look wherever you wish no-one has racked up so many offences, incidentally others have been charged and convicted on fraud charges, totally unconnected with politics.

    As far as his attempts to overthrow the election and his continual election denials, he most certainly is unique, his constant harassment of anyone connected with prosecution charges would have landed virtually anyone else in jail long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    NY state were looking at Trump’s business activities before he gained the Presidency from the 2016 election, this is the reason why some charges had to be dropped due to the time limitations.

    Look wherever you wish no-one has racked up so many offences, incidentally others have been charged and convicted on fraud charges, totally unconnected with politics.

    As far as his attempts to overthrow the election and his continual election denials, he most certainly is unique, his constant harassment of anyone connected with prosecution charges would have landed virtually anyone else in jail long ago.


    So that's a no then you can't find anyone else

    The NY case civil fraud case that has nearly run its course, you think its all fine

    All those NY property developers over the decades.

    It's as though the mechanics of property loans have just been ignored.

    The lender assesses your security and lends on that assessment.
    In the real world you can tell them you think your $10 million property is worth $15 million but they make their own judgement and lend accordingly.

    To add insult to injury the loan was satisfied and his status elevated by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    So that's a no then you can't find anyone else

    The NY case civil fraud case that has nearly run its course, you think its all fine

    All those NY property developers over the decades.

    It's as though the mechanics of property loans have just been ignored.

    The lender assesses your security and lends on that assessment.
    In the real world you can tell them you think your $10 million property is worth $15 million but they make their own judgement and lend accordingly.

    To add insult to injury the loan was satisfied and his status elevated by them.
    The NY case is just one case and is regarded as probably the weakest and least significant.

    How do you reach the answer to your question is no? Just take a look at the number of cases involving fraud and false accounting, Trump is just another crooked operator as far as business is concerned.

    You may not have noticed but the main concern is not the NY case, rather the illegal activities after the election, Trump is a danger to democracy, not only in the USA, but across much of the Western World. Get real you know very well that Trump’s approach encouraged others to think they could also act with impunity. We had our own example right here with Johnson who thought he was above the law.

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    Far from Trump being subjected to a deluge of indictments, what is remarkable is how few he has attracted.

    He has repeatedly generally abused the courts and court officials ( to the extent that here he would be prosecuted for contempt of court) but he has gone further and attached to these tirades details of where the people concerned live.

    Why would that, in any way, help his case? The only explanation is that he wants to intimidate them, and that if one of the thousands of nutters who follow him were to "visit" with weapons, he would be less that regretful about that outcome. Much as he was about January 6.

    The cases he faces have all been the subject of more than two years' investigation and review, and passed through grand juries. There is no evidence whatsoever of Biden or his officials intervening in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    The NY case is just one case and is regarded as probably the weakest and least significant.

    How do you reach the answer to your question is no? Just take a look at the number of cases involving fraud and false accounting, Trump is just another crooked operator as far as business is concerned.

    You may not have noticed but the main concern is not the NY case, rather the illegal activities after the election, Trump is a danger to democracy, not only in the USA, but across much of the Western World. Get real you know very well that Trump’s approach encouraged others to think they could also act with impunity. We had our own example right here with Johnson who thought he was above the law.


    $454 Million weakest and least significant


    The Insurrection Washington January 6th.

    Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point
    believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters
    of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly
    involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations



    Senior lawmakers have been briefed in detail on the results of the FBI's investigation so far and
    find them credible, a Democratic congressional source said.



    The rape case;

    Carroll said she nor her witnesses could not remember the precise date or year the alleged rape occurred.


    The Documents case is similarly a joke just give me one justifiable charge of fraud and false accounting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    $454 Million weakest and least significant


    The Insurrection Washington January 6th.

    Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point
    believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters
    of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly
    involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations



    Senior lawmakers have been briefed in detail on the results of the FBI's investigation so far and
    find them credible, a Democratic congressional source said.



    The rape case;

    Carroll said she nor her witnesses could not remember the precise date or year the alleged rape occurred.


    The Documents case is similarly a joke just give me one justifiable charge of fraud and false accounting.
    The rape case is long gone, the current case in NY is about him paying off Stormy Daniel's and putting it through his books as a business transaction. The documents case he was caught red handed, his shower at Mar a Largo was stuffed full of boxes of restricted and secret documents that should have been returned, he had also shredded some.

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    Isn't it strange how we get accused of being obsessed with Trump by someone who would go to the trouble ot revisiting a verdict long ago where Trump has never been able to prove to a court that his protestations of innocence are valid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    $454 Million weakest and least significant


    The Insurrection Washington January 6th.

    Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point
    believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters
    of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly
    involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations



    Senior lawmakers have been briefed in detail on the results of the FBI's investigation so far and
    find them credible, a Democratic congressional source said.



    The rape case;

    Carroll said she nor her witnesses could not remember the precise date or year the alleged rape occurred.


    The Documents case is similarly a joke just give me one justifiable charge of fraud and false accounting.
    $455 million is still subject to appeal and indications are that it could be reduced

    Of course Trump had nothing to do with Jan 6th tell us who told his followers to be there and it will be wild, perhaps you don’t realise there are more legal problems in the queue for your hero, the fake electors are slowly but surely being held accountable and links to Trump are being revealed.

    The rape case is long gone, but of course Trump got done for defamation, then like the thicko he is, went out and repeated the same lies he’d already lost on, not surprisingly further charges saw an increased settlement against him.

    The documents case is probably the most clear cut of all, why do you think he is using everything possible to delay or prevent this case getting to court, even with a corrupt judge in charge time appears to be finally running out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    $455 million is still subject to appeal and indications are that it could be reduced

    Of course Trump had nothing to do with Jan 6th tell us who told his followers to be there and it will be wild, perhaps you don’t realise there are more legal problems in the queue for your hero, the fake electors are slowly but surely being held accountable and links to Trump are being revealed.

    The rape case is long gone, but of course Trump got done for defamation, then like the thicko he is, went out and repeated the same lies he’d already lost on, not surprisingly further charges saw an increased settlement against him.

    The documents case is probably the most clear cut of all, why do you think he is using everything possible to delay or prevent this case getting to court, even with a corrupt judge in charge time appears to be finally running out.
    He is desperate to be elected, it is his only hope of staying out of clink, as soon as he is sworn in his first action will be to pardon himself.

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